8. SWTVC Bulletin October 2018 Number 8

Bgn&&&&The SWTVC Website can be found at www.swtvc.org.uk and has up-to-date information about meetings.

Registered address of the SWTVC: 31 Roselea Drive, Milngavie, Glasgow G62 8HE



Ronnie Gordon: (Chair & Acting Secretary)   0141 956 2950    07906 042215     Ronnie@Glasgownet.com


31 Roselea Drive, Milngavie, Glasgow G62 8HE


John Stewart (Treasurer)        01475 520228     07976 264886     Johnstewartinverkip@tiscali.co.uk


44 Harbourside, Kip Village, Inverkip PA16 0BF


Harry Sherry : (Webmaster)        0141 887 5389    07760 475500     hsherry@tinyworld.co.uk

Corsebar Avenue, Paisley PA2 9QE



John Young: (Membership Secretary)            0141 424 1860                                jfyglasgow@gmail.com

139 Terregles Avenue, Pollokshields, Glasgow G41 4DG


Ian Stother: (Member)           0141 776 5330    07974 946461     Stother@outlook.com

11 Fern Avenue, Lenzie G66 4LE


Ronnie Johnston: (Editor)  01555 896633      07766 027500      sb57nfe@gmail.com


Kevin Began: (Events Co-ordinator)             0141 931 5804    07804 322788

49 Roman Court, Bearsden, Glasgow G61 2NW


Dave Stewart:  (Webmaster)                                   07539 408986      daavross@tiscali.co.uk


Monthly meetings:  These take place on the 3rd Tuesday of the month in the Kirkhouse Inn at 08.00PM.


All members welcome.

The opinions expressed in this bulletin are not necessarily those of the committee or any of its members.


The weeks pass and the fine summer has given way to autumn with its “Mists and Mellow Fruitfulness”.

Speaking personally, I have had my fill of Mists and Mellow Fruitfulness already

and long for summer again.

Since preparing my last Bulletin I had the pleasure of visiting Canada for the first time.

We were staying fairly close to the American border so I took the opportunity to drive to Detroit to visit the Henry Ford Museum at Dearborn, something that has been on my bucket list for many years.

Suffice it to say it is world class and much more than a car museum, it is HUGE and the exhibits include artefacts connected to important events in American history. These include the chair Lincoln was sitting in when shot, the Rosa Parks bus and the car Kennedy was in when assassinated.

On-Line Scams:

Scammers are becoming very smart with convincing e-mails and web sites that can deceive the most diligent of us. The days of the ludicrous e-mail from a Nigerian prince who wishes to send you a fortune are largely a thing of the past.

High value items, including classic cars, are regularly offered on E-bay, Gumtree and other on-line selling sites. Ebay in particular appear to be very slow to take action on these and will never accept liability for any losses.

I am grateful to Ken McGeoch for the following item with advice for the unwary.

Caveat Emptor: Let the Buyer Beware:

You would expect that those who manage online market places would be diligent in protecting their users. On the contrary, their record of identifying and preventing scams does not inspire confidence. Given the huge profits they make they could well afford to put more resources into fraud detection. They have no obligation in law to compensate victims and will never consider an ex-gratia or goodwill payment.

It could be argued that without the threat of a liability for losses they have no motivation to identify fraudulent listings. This means buyers must be extra diligent as there is little prospect of getting their money back if a transaction goes wrong.

I think it unlikely that many of our members would buy a classic on Ebay but an awareness of the pitfalls might help you prevent a friend or relative losing money.


Be wary of unrealistically low price. 
The seller may give a plausible reason why the vehicle cannot be viewed and offer to deliver it with the payment being held  by a trusted 3rd party pending your approval of the vehicle

  Auction sites do not offer escrow services so this is a real red flag and you should walk away at once.

Be suspicious of 99p auction listings as this is a very typical technique used by fraudsters
Be wary if large deposits are requested.
Be suspicious of listings that contain text within the image of the item on sale. Scammers do this as any text in the image won’t be detected by software used to pick up fraudulent activity
Checking the seller’s profile for previous items listed, feedback, reviews and how long they have had an account is an obvious precaution but be aware that genuine accounts can be hacked and used for listing.
Avoid communication with sellers over anything but the messaging application provided by the marketplace. Scammers want to communicate off system as these conversations are unmonitored.
When paying for anything online always check for the padlock near the web address

 This list is not exhaustive; scammers are devious and always looking for new ways to part you from your money.

The best advice is never; ever ever pay for a high value item without seeing it first.

Club Events:

Bus run and afternoon tea Sunday 30th September.

I had intended to take this trip but was unable to do so. It seems I missed a great day out, thanks are due to Kevin Began and Dave Stewart for organising it. I am also grateful to Kevin for the following report.



It was a nice surprise to see our bus, a 1952 forty seater Leyland Tiger Cub, parked at Milngavie Station looking very smart in its Bluebird livery and Crieff on the destination board. A few puzzled tourists asked if the bus stopped at Stirling!!

This model had a 6 litre engine with a four speed crash gearbox and crawler gear. It was built a built by Alexander and had the original script and motif before being taken over by Midland.

The weather was perfect as we drove through Kirkintilloch and Kilsyth to join the M9 at Banknock. Once on the motorway, the Leyland purred along between 40 & 45 mph very comfortably. To avoid the steep incline after Bridge of Allan we left the M9 and carried on through Dunblane and rejoined the M9 before joining the A822 for Crieff. This part of the journey was particularly enjoyable passing through small communities and beautiful countryside arriving at Crieff Visitor Centre in nice time for lunch.

Following a lunch of soup & sandwiches, courtesy of the Club, we were free to enjoy the visitor centre and the various outlets. A large modern tour bus parked directly behind us, creating quite a stir with lots of visitors comparing the two and the changes that a 66 year age gap brings.

We departed the visitor centre at 3pm, taking the scenic route through Muthill and Braco before rejoining the M9. The weather remained sunny and we enjoyed a smooth journey to Stirling where we stopped for a “Bus/Group Photo” with Stirling Castle providing a magnificent backdrop.

Heading back to Milngavie on the A811 through Arnprior and Buchlyvie, we headed on to Balfron enjoying the Campsies in full sunshine. After Balfron, we returned to Milngavie via Killearn and Strathblane.

Before heading home we spent some time chatting to the drivers, who are brothers, complimenting them on their driving and the lovely condition of their bus. They said they had also enjoyed the trip  and expressed interest in driving for us again.

All told, a super day’s outing.



Autojumble: Saturday 13th October

Our annual autojumble was well supported with an excellent attendance and plenty sellers offering all sorts of goodies. As well as an excellent source of bargains it is a pleasant social event, catching up with fellow members before we put the toys away for the winter.

Thanks to all who supported the event and particular thanks to Kevin Began, Ronnie G and Ian and Jacqui Stother who arranged the event and prepared the hall. Thanks also to the ladies who kept the bacon rolls coming.


AGM: Monday 3rd December:

Come along and have a say on how your Club is run. Kilmardinny House at 07.30.


Mid Winter Dinner: Friday 18th January.

We will be using the same restaurant as in the past two years which has proved very satisfactory.

1051 GWR, 1051 Great Western Rd, Glasgow G12 0XP.

We propose to offer a conventional menu with no “festive” offerings

Cost and booking details will follow.


Motoring Trivia:

David Buick was born in Arbroath in 1854 and was taken to Detroit as an infant.

As a young man he worked for a plumber’s merchant eventually becoming a partner in the business.

He had an inventive mind and developed a process for applying enamel on cast iron baths which is still in use today.

This gave him capital to pursue his developing interest in the embryonic motor industry. 

Initially he built agricultural engines but soon turned to cars where he is credited with developing the overhead valve engine which was cutting edge at this time.

He founded the Buick Car Company which is now the oldest American marque still in production. He left after it was taken over by General Motors and was subsequently involved in a few car related ventures, none of which were successful.

Sadly, he died in relative poverty in 1929 but his name is still on cars being made today and many millions that have gone before.

Not a bad achievement for someone born in obscurity in a small Scottish town. 





We petrolheads are well known for taking great care of our pride and joy. I am as guilty of this as anyone else but surely there are limits!


That’s all folks, hope to see you at the AGM.